Q. Can you and Jack talk about how 17 performed in both of your minds?
KENNY PERRY: Well, he did exactly what he wanted to do. That is a tough hole. Like before I was hitting a driver wedge. You could just bomb it down there. I was hitting it past that waste bunker up the left side and hitting a wedge in that hole. Where now today I killed a driver and I still had 178 yards to the flag stick. A very difficult hole. With that wind, today it was coming out of the northeast. It was whipping right across. The flag was going left to right. It was a very difficult shot to that left front pin placement. All week that hole was a very demanding, very tough. One day it was down when I hit a 3-wood to the tee but I had to hit a 6-iron to the green. I remember my least club was a 7-iron into that hole. But very difficult. You've got to hit great shots on that hole. That's what he wanted. He wanted you to have to play coming in. Thank goodness I had a lead, I could survive by making two bogeys coming in.
Q. Are you happy with it, Jack?
JACK NICKLAUS: Yes, I think it played well. I'm trying to figure out how can I make it tougher for next year. It was the toughest one out there this year. I think it was 4.53 today.
Q. It was yesterday?
JACK NICKLAUS: It played fairly difficult. What I was trying to accomplish, Kenny, was right, you know, it was a driver and a sand wedge, or pitching wedge, whatever it was before. And even if you hit it into the waste bunker, it wasn't much of a shot. That's probably the best place to hit it and miss it. I felt it wasn't enough spice in the hole.
We had the space behind there and playing downwind, downhill I wanted to get it so you had some options. And I think I gave you the options. When you try to carry a ball 260 and you are thinking, I don't want to drive it in that other bunker either. You got to place the shot even though you might hit a driver. I think it did what I wanted. It spiced it up coming home, a lot of conversation about it. I think school is out still yet on the tree short right. I left that tree there because I didn't want to take the tree down. But that tree, if the wind is at your face that tree might be too tough. I haven't made up my mind. That's a possibility. Because I know a lot of guys hit it. But outside of that I think the hole did what I wanted it to do. It's a pretty hole. I think it was only one guy that I read that didn't like it.
Q. Calc?
JACK NICKLAUS: If he didn't like it, it must be good. Am I about right? Close. But anyway, I think it did what I wanted to do. As I said I didn't do the hole to have people like it. I did it because I wanted to bring spice and have it be new. It was going to be controversial. Some guys aren't going to like it.
The 17th at Augusta that they changed, I don't really like that hole what they did to it. But it doesn't make any difference. It's a tough strong golf hole that you got to play and that's what I wanted. I didn't come out for a popularity contest, I came out people to play golf. If Mark didn't like it, or somebody else, that's all right. I think it's a good golf hole.
Q. Kenny, you touched on this earlier, this puts you 5th on the money list, you are closing in on No. 10 in the world rankings, do you feel like you belong there?
KENNY PERRY: You know, I don't look at it that way. To me, world rankings, it's nice to have it. All I want to do is play as good as Kenny Perry can play. If that ranks me up to No. 1, great. But, you know, if I can excel at what I can do that's what matters to me. I don't really care if I am ranked 10th or whatever. I just want to go out there and play good golf.
Q. If you play as well as you can, how high will it take you, how high do you think it can take you?
KENNY PERRY: Don't know. We'll just have to see.
Q. Is it anymore special given the field with Tiger, Ernie, Jack played?
KENNY PERRY: Yes, that's special to me. I very seldom beat Tiger. So it's nice to finally beat him.
Q. One week after beating Annika?
KENNY PERRY: That was a good story. I didn't mind it. She was great.
Q. You don't care where you are ranked but it ties into the Presidents Cup team for the Ryder Cup and that has something to do with your rankings?
KENNY PERRY: Exactly. It's an honor for me to play for Jack this year. I am really looking forward to that. I got to play with Mr. Palmer, Arnie was my captain the first time I played. Now I got Jack. That's pretty special.
Q. Jack, will the tabasco shirt be the shirt?
KENNY PERRY: I don't think so.
JACK NICKLAUS: If it makes us win and be a better team, absolutely. It's the right colors, red, white and blue.
KENNY PERRY: He is going to dress us good, he always does. I know he will.
Q. The wind couldn't have been as bad as it was yesterday?
KENNY PERRY: It was similar conditions. The wind was from the same direction, it was quite as strong. It was warmer. It was raw yesterday. It was cold out there. I got hot in my sweater. But I started out -- it's hard for me to change, so I left the sweater on all day even though I was hot in it. It was very similar conditions.
Q. Did the accumulative affect of the wind the last two days make the pins tough?
KENNY PERRY: The greens dried out and got faster and it was all because of the wind. It is starting to show it's teeth, firm up out there. It was quite a golf course.
Q. Jack, there was a little bit of grumbling when it first announced that the President's Cup was going to South Africa, who would go? I was curious, the meeting you had this week with a number of potential players, how that went and if you sensed a little more enthusiasm about it than when it first came on?
JACK NICKLAUS: Well, as I am told, there hasn't been anybody who is on the list to qualify that doesn't want to go. I think that Tiger, Phil and Davis have all committed to go.
Q. Did they tell you that?
JACK NICKLAUS: That's what they told the TOUR. And I think I told the guys at the meeting, I said, guys, when I went to Australia, I didn't realize that when we went down there, that we had guys down there that didn't really want to play. And I said you know it's a nice trip, a wonderful trip, and if you are going to go I want you to go. I don't want to you go just because you made the team. If you don't want to go, just say so. I don't have any problem with that whatsoever. I want 12 guys that wanted to play golf. And I had a couple of them say, hey, if I have to row a boat to get there I want to go. That was Sluman and Funk. They both said yesterday I don't care how we get there. Stowaway somewhere. They just want to get there. I think I had a nice response. I think they all want to go. That's going to be a nice trip.
Q. What do you think are the concerns?
JACK NICKLAUS: You will find guys will get tired of playing the Presidents Cup and Ryder Cup year after year, year after year. It's always a concern. I think going to South Africa and what's down there, the different things they can do. I think lit be a neat trip. They are going to see a lot of things. A lot of guys have never been there. I think they are going to enjoy it.
JACK NICKLAUS: Have you been down there?
KENNY PERRY: I never been. I like those hunting trips you were talking about. I want to go on some of those. He was telling me about setting at his house, watching the crocodiles getting wildebeest. I was with him. I wouldn't want to go out the back door.
JACK NICKLAUS: We do have an electrical fence between them. We have pictures of crocs, a lion kill something 30 yards from my house. You are in the middle of the wild. But it is neat.
Q. Jack, can we get a comment from you considering the rivalry you had with Lee about him being the honor?
JACK NICKLAUS: I'm delighted that Trevino is going to be honored. Lee has been considered the last few years. What generally happens at the Captain's Club, Bob, they have a list -- the Captain's Club built up a list and they start working on that list and all of a sudden the popularity of one guy builds and it took Lee three of four years of building his popularity with the group to get elected.
I'm glad. Obviously Lee Trevino is a great champion and we wouldn't be complete without honoring him.
Q. A lot of people think of the snake, what is your memory of Lee?
JACK NICKLAUS: My memory of Lee is probably the best ball striker along with Hogan that I have ever seen. He is a tremendous competitor, and somebody that I want to walk down the other side of the fairway when I'm playing with. You know Lee's favorite line. When you walk off, you say Lee, let's just play golf today. I don't want to talk. You don't have to talk, you just have to listen. I have enjoyed competing against Lee. I think he is as good and tough a competitor that I ever played against. He just plays so well. He is a smart player.
Q. Kenny, what kind of car are you picking up?
KENNY PERRY: A Pontiac Grand Am.
Q. Do you have other ones?
KENNY PERRY: I got a 269 Camaro, a 68 Camaro. 267 Chevy 2 Novas. All muscle cars. I love 260's of cars. I always have. I remember my dad bought my sister a 69 Camaro and that is the reason why I got hung on a lot of horsepower. My race car makes a thousand horse power. My street car makes about 500 that I run around the streets at home in. It's just what I like to do. I get in my shop behind my house and I tinker on my cars.
Q. You only have 6?
KENNY PERRY: A Camaro, 2 Novas, a new Corvette sitting in there. So I got 6 back in there behind my house. I got my other car under the trailer. I got a tag trailer that I keep the race car in.
Q. You drive those around town?
KENNY PERRY: Yes, the law, they like me. They are good to me. They will pull up beside me, let's cut it loose. Let's see what they'll do.
JACK NICKLAUS: You have a very friendly town.
KENNY PERRY: That's happened a lot of times. They are good policemen.
Q. Kenny, under the increased media scrutiny, you only played in one British Open, is that going to change?
KENNY PERRY: I don't know. I have not gone over it a lot because it's hard for me to play in those conditions. It's a tremendous tournament. The times I have gone, I have loved it. But to play in 30 or 40 mile an hour wind, I hit it so high that I had to adapt my game to that style of golf. I'm not a good bump and runner. It's hard for me to play that style of golf. I played really good here in the heavy winds.
JACK NICKLAUS: You played pretty good yesterday.
KENNY PERRY: Maybe I am maturing, so it's time for me to go back.
Q. Bring Scott with you?
KENNY PERRY: Mr. Hoch, my buddy. I will talk him into it to. We will get him over there.
Q. Your wife didn't come because your daughter had a dance recital?
KENNY PERRY: That's right. That was hard for me to miss. She is my 15-year-old. She is a good dancer. I love watching her. It's a pretty big show. It's the Christine Dickman dance club. It was in Bowling Green, Kentucky. There was a big stadium and a couple of thousand people watching. It's pretty awesome.
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